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By lyndonashmore Date 2011-05-10 19:17
I found this paper from China recently and intend doing something on it in terms or New Tired Light (NTL theory). I am presenting it at the NPA conference (I think)
Any thoughts??
By Mike Petersen Date 2011-05-11 09:03
Very interesting, Lyndon.  I've never even seen a reference to Chen's 2009 paper before this.  I'm going to do a Google search to see if any mainstreamers have made any comments on it.  Is there anything in BAUT discussing this?

By Mike Petersen Date 2011-05-11 09:13
Well, this is disappointing.  I've done a Google search on Chen's paper from several directions, and all I get are references in which I have to buy the PDF of the paper.  I saw no references via Google that had others quoting the paper or using it as a reference (with the exception of yours of course.) 

I'm beginning to think Chen's paper has been ignored.  It's been two years, after all.

By lyndonashmore Date 2011-05-11 15:20
yep, I had to buy it. i have actually e mailed Chen - keep you posted
By lyndonashmore Date 2011-05-12 17:36
Not that I have seen. Even though I am 'banned' I still have access and scan from time to time - sometimes you pick up a good ref somewhere or other. I found the ref by accident researching my original paper for NPA. and bought it on spec having seen the abstract re redshift elctron density.
By Jade Annand Date 2011-05-14 07:28
I'd love to see more of Chen's paper on this, too :)

It's intriguing. I mean, after all, we have been figuring most of this time that whatever the effect might be, that it had to correlate with increasing effect as we went from workaday galaxies through late-type/younger spirals through to quasars.

Think anyone has the wherewithal to run your microwave detection experiment?
By lyndonashmore Date 2011-05-14 19:25
I talked to Louis Marmet some time ago who is into lasers. he thinks maybe plasma is too 'noisy' and he suggested firing a second laser fired through the plasma and seeing if that is redshifted. And, if plasma creates redshift in the lab. then ....... the universe is a big place, filled with plasma. How will the BB incorporate this into their theory?
I have sent both these ideas to Chen et al.
Lets see.
However, this paper is the first I have seen where plasma creates redshifts Anyone seen other papers?
By Jade Annand Date 2011-05-15 08:43
I may be missing something here, but would all this not somehow be related to the Stark Effect?

For example:

Abstract said:

The effect of an externally applied electric field in single-walled carbon nanotubes was studied using a thin-film transistor configuration. Under the electric field, the optical spectra displayed redshifts and broadening. These phenomena present evidence of the Stark effect in single-walled carbon nanotubes. The finding of the Stark effect suggests the potential use of carbon nanotubes in electro-optic devices for optical communication.

(My bolding)

I'm not sure, though. The interesting-looking papers are behind paywalls.

Papers on quasistatic pressure broadening might be helpful, but that depends on density which might not be particularly even enough to generate consistent redshifts.
By lyndonashmore Date 2011-05-15 18:38
Hi, In the paper, they assign broadening of the actual lines to the stark effect and the redshift itself to the broadening of energy levels due to
excess electrons packed inside the atoms
(their words not mine)
So the lines are broader (they say due to Stark effect) and thus calculate the free electron density. They then measure the redshift and ergo, say redshift increases as electron density.
In reality the experimental evidence is that the greater the redshift the wider the line. The rest is speculation.
Now whose theory says that emission lines broaden as the redshift increases in certain situations?????
Oh I know
By Jade Annand Date 2011-05-23 19:58
Okay, okay, you can toot your own horn ;)

Could we detect the broadening and correct the redshift distance for it, I wonder?
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