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By lyndonashmore Date 2010-04-13 20:07
Wow!!!
I always new that i was special , now it is confirmed.
Me, and less importantly, the Earth are at the centre of this bubble and as one goes further away the electron density increases.
For me I am happy as the electron density near earth at 0.22 per cubic metre gives a predicted value of the Hubble constant from my tired light theory as about 30 km/s per Mpc (not bad from scratch with no assumptions and standard physics) compared to about 70 as the observed value - but apparently it increases as the redshift increases.
http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=article&access=standard&Itemid=129&url=/articles/aa/full/2003/34/aah4525/aah4525.html
So, why are we at this special place - or is it just history (depletion of electron density with time)
any thoughts?
cheers
Lyndon
By RussT Date 2010-04-17 09:00
So, Lyndon...

What is in the center of your evenly space HI clouds, and how did they get created?

Was there a "Big Bang"?
By lyndonashmore Date 2010-04-17 18:39
Me, I believe that if one takes in the number desity of electrons which, according to this paper, increases with z then the hydrogen clouds will be evenly spaced ad infinitum,
ie the universe is/always was static.
that don't make me special
By RussT Date 2010-04-18 00:37 Edited 2010-04-18 08:25
But Lyndon...your statement did NOT even answer one of those questions!

In your model, was the Universe ever smaller in the past?

If so, how small was it at its smallest?

IF it wasn't smaller in the past, then WHY would the electron density be "More Dense" the farther away from Earth you are???

and, in your statement, yes you would still be 'special', as you would be in Einsteins "Static" "Earth Centered" Lambda Sphere.

ETA: and oh yeah, by the way...

What  geometrical 'shape' do you think that the HI clouds are in?
By RussT Date 2010-04-22 07:13
So what....you don't think these are legitimate questions?

Or that they are condescending in some way?

Or that they are insulting somehow?

As far as I know, these are all very legitimate questions.
By lyndonashmore Date 2010-04-22 17:06 Edited 2010-04-22 18:32
Sorry, been one of those weeks.
Putting this paper together and whenever I try to transfer the graphs from the graph program to Word the bottom half is missing. See new thread.
But Lyndon...your statement did NOT even answer one of those questions!

In your model, was the Universe ever smaller in the past?

If so, how small was it at its smallest?

IF it wasn't smaller in the past, then WHY would the electron density be "More Dense" the farther away from Earth you are???

and, in your statement, yes you would still be 'special', as you would be in Einsteins "Static" "Earth Centered" Lambda Sphere.

ETA: and oh yeah, by the way...

What  geometrical 'shape' do you think that the HI clouds are in?

What is my model?
Good question, I like the idea of an infinite universe but there again infinity has to start somewhere  -doesn't it?)
I was a believer in the BB until the introduction of inflation and then that is just too much to swallow. Consequently i am still making my mind up as to what my model is.
What i am certain of is that the universe is presently static, redshifts & CMb are the result of tired light. This I have shown from observation (Hydrogen clouds are presently evenly spaced on average) by theory & calculation  (using my 'new tired light theory' - it is the same as my old one but i have decided to call it 'new' to separate it from Zwicky's!!!) I calcalculate the Hubble constant and CMB wavelengths) and i am about to put forward a lab test of 'new tired light' provided i can get the graphs in the paper by the deadline at end of next week.
I have never said the universe did not expand in the past. In fact this is put forward as a possibility in my book (I was 57,000 in the amazon best seller list at one time over christmas!)

Why I am interested in this paper is that the rapid rise in electron density coincides with the point where the Hydrogen clouds suddenly become closer together.
This could be, as you say, due to expansion - as I also said here
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009ASPC..413....3A

However, in tired light the formula is z = exp(Hd/c) - 1 with H =  H = 2nhr/m    r & m data for electron

So if free electron density rises we get bigger redshifts for the same distances (up to a point as high density gives no redshifts as the ellectrons cannot recoil then) So are the Hydrogen clouds still evenly spaced but appear to get closer together as we get greater redshifts for the same distances?
But that makes us special (which i don't like) hence my original post.
But, since we are looking back in time,  electron density is 'free electron density 'so it could be 'recombination' occuring at Z 1 to 2 hence the fall in 'n' locally.  too late for the BB but with my theory....
At present , the evidence is that the universe did expand in the past (not 100% on tthis) but has been static for the last billion year or so. local redshifts (less than 1), cMb, are tired light but that makes the universe very much older that the 13.8 billion year thought at present so we don't need inflation.
Cheers
By Eduffy80911 Date 2010-04-23 03:37
Hi Lyndon,

Let me plug your book " Big Bang Blasted!". Never mind theory, the insight in to how scientific consensus can be and has been greatly impacted by strong personalities over the centuries is quite valuable in and of itself. Well written and entertaining too. No, I have no vested interest and I've never met Lyndon.
By Jade Annand Date 2010-04-26 16:22 Edited 2010-04-26 16:25
Ha! Not to worry, Ed: no disclaimer needed; we know Lyndon :)

Did I miss your book announcement, Lyndon? I didn't know you had one out. Can I claim parent brain if you did? :)

I have a few alternative cosmology books around. Here's a list with a mini-review from me:

The Big Bang Never Happened - Eric Lerner
- Good treatise on topics esp. incl plasma cosmology. Angry and semi-political in half the book, though not baseless.
Bye Bye Big Bang - Hello Reality - William C. Mitchell
- Good with expounding BB problems, modest alternatives. Would love to see this one updated with what we know now.
Seeing Red - Halton C. Arp
- Very good on the observational science and affronts to the scientific method. Very focused on quasars (of course)
A Different Approach to Cosmology - Hoyle, Narlikar et al.
- Some decent information. Very focused on hashing out QSSC.
Confessions of a Dissident Astronomer - Hilton Ratcliffe
- Some pretty alternative cosmology explained in spots with fun sci-fi scenarios. Credulous in many spots of rather stranger alternatives like Electric Sun Theory (ahem)
Dark Matter, Missing Planets, New Comets - Tom van Flandern
- Interesting in parts, good orbital mechanics, still has Tom's weird infatuations with Cydonia

I even have Velan's old book in storage somewhere, though I wouldn't count his stuff as a contender. What I remember from his book was something along the lines of empty space getting inundated crosswise (there was at least one extra dimension in his scenario) and the matter so formed collapsed in on itself and then exploded with a shockwave. Big-Bangish but with an actual explosion :)

Looks like I missed the "books" section of the March cosmology letter :)

I'll buy a copy of Lyndon's book at some point here, I think, though I don't know why it's double the price up here in Canada, especially considering that our currency is just about on par with the US dollar. I expect there is some price gouging by resellers going on.
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