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By Mike Petersen Date 2011-09-22 01:14 Edited 2011-09-27 00:41
Hey All...

I have been wondering.

We know that current wisdom has it that SMBH's at the center of active galaxies swallow matter and also eject it at relatavistic velocities.  It's said that "most" material is swallowed by the SMBH and that "some" is ejected.

Does anyone know if there has been a quantitative analysis done on the ratio of "swallowed" versus "ejected" material?  I would think that such numbers would be of enormous importance.  Is it 75/25?  Is it 50/50?  Or maybe it's 90/10. 

Anyone have a clue here?
By RussT Date 2011-09-22 03:38
UH , Yea , I do ...In fact I have way more than a Clue...i am the only one who actually understands about the "Jets" and when they first occur in ALL galaxies lives BUT no one wants to listen....everyone "Thinks" (There's those darned quote marks again LOL) they have some kind of vague understanding of Galaxy formation and evolution BUT both mainstream and ALL the alternative theories ALL use Quasars as  "Young"....BUT That is impossible as ALL Quasars have AGN/Black Holes that are in the Millions to Billions of Sol masses...

Do you believe me that Quasars can't be "Young" ??? If you don't You are `100% confused and this would be true for ALL mainstreamer's as well ;>))

Now, you can ignore this and stay confused OR we can discuss it correctly (Without any "Accusations") and I will attempt to enlighten you with what I am already absolutely certain of...your choice.
By Mike Petersen Date 2011-09-22 10:03

All you do is irritate with your constant harangues, including the one you just posted.  You will not reply in a manner that pays attention to my question as stated.

So, my choice: ignore.
By RussT Date 2011-09-23 07:05


a long, blustering, noisy, or scolding speech; tirade

LOL...once again your analogy and by proxy, your personal accusation is "Fatally Flawed" and so you still remain 100% confused.

Your constantly going for the personal attacks rather than sticking to the issues is what is truely disconserting and takes you, me and everyone else totally off topic!

You also accused me of "Exagerating" (Which I never did! I think I know to what you were referring and those numbers from Grey's quote work out that way!!!) BUT never even showed what you felt was being exagerated, which is just an empty nonesensical personal attack that I have asked you numerous times to please stop, BUT you are so weak in your understanding of issues that that is evidently all you are capable of doing, so please >>> Ignore, Ignore, Ignore :>))
By Mike Petersen Date 2011-09-23 18:04
Your last post has proved my point.  You harangue everyone as if you know everything.  Well, I tell you what.  You can have the last word, because I will never, and I mean never, reply to one of you gibberish posts again.

Have a nice life.
By Jade Annand Date 2011-09-24 18:23
Jesus, Russ, where the hell did that come from?

Do you have some sort of social-unawareness condition whereby it might excuse such rudeness? Even my friends with Asperger's wouldn't have gone that far.

Without some sort of apology, I'm considering my options to keep discussions on my forum civil.
By RussT Date 2011-09-25 06:33 Edited 2011-09-25 11:18
Jesus Russ    >>> are you kidding me! The Jesus should have been Jesus Mike, why after so many times of Russ asking you to please stick to the issues and STOP the personal attack, have you not got the message!!!

Every word in every post of mine is carefully chosen, and I do "Understand" everything (All the issues and all the theories), as I have stated and proved many times on this forum.

The one thing that I emphasized to Mike in my 1st post in this thread was...OR we can discuss it correctly (Without any "Accusations") and I will attempt to enlighten you ,

And so., instead of discussing Galaxy Formation and AGN and their Jets, all I have been doing is wasting my time defending ridiculous accusations~~~
By Jade Annand Date 2011-09-26 02:46
There was no need to come on as a first replier dripping with derogatory and inflammatory comments. Mike's angry reply to that was well-justified.

The fact that you would even dare play the victim here after your unwarranted red-flag waving has earned you a single-day ban to start with.
By David Russell Date 2011-10-02 15:04
Hey Mike,

I haven't read a lot about the SMBH theories. 

I'm not sure how they would calculate that  the ratio of matter ejected and swallowed.   I don't even know how you model the amount of matter available to be swallowed.  

By Mike Petersen Date 2011-10-02 19:59
Hi David...

I hope this note finds you well.
I'm not sure how they would calculate the ratio of matter ejected and swallowed.

Exactly.  I don't even think they have the vaguest idea how much matter is "falling into" a black hole, never mind how much might be spewing out.  As someone said some time ago (paraphrasing), "What goes on inside the nucleus of AGN's is of enourmous importance for our understanding of how the universe works." 

Without some quantitative analyses, I don't think we'll get anywhere near an understaning of SMBH's (or whatever they are.)  Does anyone know if any studies or observations are being done along these lines?  Is anyone even thinking about it?

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